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Nothing new or especially suprising from Nelson here, but overall an interesting compilation of essays.
I enjoyed this book a lot, although it took a while to get through. The interviews are comprehensive and leaned toward academic, which requires the reader to pay close attention. Interviews with and references to peers and other cultural touchstones broaden the scope, while Nelson's own participation and contributions provide context and shape perspective, making for complete and deep analyses.
Thanks, NetGalley and GrayWolf Press for the advance copy of this book in exchange for my honest review.
Of course, with any Nelson, it is hard to find a place to start. But Nelson starts with Hilton Als. And Hilton Als, I feel, always starts with Didion. Didion is always at the back of his mind, and mine. I just rewatched The Center Will Not Hold and I reminded again and again why I write, why I love. Because there is so much of life.
"๐ ๐ธ๐ข๐ด ๐ซ๐ถ๐ด๐ต ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฅ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ด๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ฃ๐บ ๐๐ฐ๐ข๐ฏ ๐๐ช๐ฅ๐ช๐ฐ๐ฏ, ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ต ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ถ๐ต๐ต๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ง๐ถ๐ด๐ช๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ช๐ด ๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ: ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐๐ฆ๐ด๐ต ๐๐ฐ๐ข๐ด๐ต, ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐จ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ธ ๐ถ๐ฑ, ๐ฐ๐ณ ๐๐ฆ๐ธ ๐ ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฌ, ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ถ๐ฑ. ๐๐ข๐บ๐ฃ๐ฆ ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ต ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ง๐ข๐ต๐ช๐จ๐ถ๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ช๐ฏ๐ต๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ต ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ง๐ณ๐ฐ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ฆ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ๐บ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ช๐ด ๐ข๐ท๐ข๐ช๐ญ๐ข๐ฃ๐ญ๐ฆ ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ถ๐ด ๐ข๐ต ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ต๐ฐ๐ถ๐ค๐ฉ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ข ๐ง๐ช๐ฏ๐จ๐ฆ๐ณ. ๐๐ตโ๐ด ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฅ ๐ช๐ฏ๐ด๐ต๐ข๐ฏ๐ต๐ข๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ด๐ญ๐บ, ๐ฐ๐ณ ๐ช๐ต ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐บ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ณ ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ด๐ต๐ฆ๐ฑ ๐ช๐ฏ ๐ต๐ธ๐ฐ ๐ฅ๐ข๐บ๐ด."
Though I see the issues with Didion's approach at times, it's in the vague does she find the concrete, make the concrete, to situate herself within the times, within the center of everything. This is how she finds the holding. These are the details. All in the story.
So much of life is wondering and centering and understand what home is. Is it who I love? is it who I care for? Is it how I build friendships? Create connections? Is it how I withstand turbulent times?
This is very much Nelson's pandemic book, a filler episode in between the larger works, a space to talk about the larger works, stitch them together, and though some of these essays have appeared online and in print in different places (ie. her email exchange with bjork and applied dislike for von Trier as a person) it was wonderful to revisit some of them (ie. her introduction to Hunt's The Seas). She has so much love. Talking about the love. Art that has shaped her, challenged her, all love adjacent.
The collection wonderfully ends with a chat with her and Eileen Myles about trees and art and going against the grain, against time. Because I think that's how love works. All against time. All against the worries. All against everything that makes a day long.
I'm going to be honest - this book was not written for me (an enby in the LGBTQIA+ community that shamelessly likes mainstream art and media like Star Wars and Marvel comics and visits SFMoMA because it feels cultured to visit a modern art museum and not because I appreciate or really even enjoy modern art ๐ค). This book - a collection of correspondence with other writers, commentary on books by other writers in the LGBTQIA+ space, and critiques on avant-garde art influential in queer community in the 80s until now - is for those who have dived into experimental, societal-norm challenging art and have a frame of reference for the works Nelson is talking about. As someone who does scour Reddit for internet memes and to stay up-to-date with TV shows and video games I don't have time to consume, though, I did appreciate this book for introducing me to a lot of artists and writers I previously have known nothing about.
As June and Pride Month approach menacingly on the horizon, this hefty nonfic would be a good introduction to art that influenced burgeoning Western queer culture in the late 1900s, but do prepare to have to do lots and lots of googling to keep up with the pieces that Maggie Nelson talks about.
Gosh. I so wanted to like this one, and while I'm thankful to the publisher, author, and Netgalley, this one wasn't for me.
Like Love is primarily a collection of conversations with artists/thinkers with some essays included along a similar vein. Maggie Nelson is someone who is constantly challenging form and structure, and here what she's able to do is put twenty years of conversations into conversation with one another. It's like a time capsule tracing twenty years of discourse on art, power, detournement, affect, sex, violence, trauma, and freedom. I particularly loved the sections with Bjork - who I love - and Carolee Schneemann - who I hadn't known about. This collection offers a lot to think about and brings to light some subversive artists that aren't necessarily garnering mainstream attention.
Anyone who has an interest in queer, transgressive art will find some moving conversations in this collection.
I thank NetGalley and Graywolf Press for this arc.
When I see a new MAGGIE NELSON collection pop up under "Find Titles" there is no need to research further--I just hit request. Thank you #NetGalley and #GraywolfPress for providing an advance copy of this collection, very grateful for that. I have read five books by this author: Bluets, Argonauts, Jane: A Murder, The Red Parts, and now Like Love. This last collection was wholly unlike any of the other books I mentioned and was much more academic and knowledge-specific (people, places, concepts, theories) than the others as well. For that reason, a number of the essays grabbed me quickly and easily (specifically "conversations" with Brian Blanchard, Bjork, Eileen Myles, and essays on Prince and Trees). There were numerous references to Nelson's other books Art of Cruelty and On Freedom and I am looking forward to reading them in the near future.
I also found a number of the essays/interviews long and cumbersome to get through, but have no doubt that individuals more familiar with the sociocultural topics and content will be enthralled by them. Regardless, I learned so much (whether I found the content personally interesting or not). Even for the topics that did not resonate or interviews that felt too in-depth and/or beyond my comprehension, I still made notes on things I wanted to look into further (especially related to art and women's history). Because of the way I read, especially nonfiction, I made a list of individuals I intend to research further. Maggie Nelson has been a primary inspiration for my own nonfiction writing and sets a high bar on what can be created via this wide genre. She has changed the landscape of creative nonfiction for me and many other people and she rocks.
So while this is NOT Bluets or Argonauts (though both are mentioned intermittently throughout) nor Jane/The Red Parts (both SO good), it is ALL Maggie Nelson and fans of hers (and of great writing, art, acceptance, and vulnerability) will enjoy it very much.
I am a fan of Maggie Nelson, so I was excited to read "Like Love." The essays in this collection are carefully written, and require careful reading, I found that I couldn't casually read them on the train but that they required more attention that some novels I recently read. If you enjoy long-form articles in The New Yorker, even The Economist, I think you will find that this is a satisfying read! Something unique about this book is the perspective Nelson brings on people like Prince, and if you have read other work by her, you may find that this reading experience enhances your experience of those works (almost a Better Call Saul-Breaking Bad relationship :) )
please don't pull a me, please don't see this title and think this is maggie nelson giving you a collection of essays about love.
it's not that these essays don't include love, it's just that most of these essays already exist in the public sphere - previous interviews with figures like bjork, a forward written for the rerelease of samantha hunt's <i>the seas</i>, an academic essay breaking down hilton als' ability to write subversively without alienating too many readers - and are more about maggie's love for her subjects.
perhaps the most interesting part of this collection is less the essays themselves and more the fact that they're arranged chronologically - disseminating pieces of maggie's lore pertaining to the construction of bluets, of the red parts, of the argonauts - giving insight to her writing processes and how they evolve over time. it was interesting to me to read about her avoiding jacqueline rose's work in the process of writing out of fear of failure in the harsh light of comparison versus how other writers - i'm thinking darcey steinke's - seemed to motivate her by comparison. there's a four year difference between the two essays which does make you wonder if, as was touched on during the essay with sarah lucas, this is a part of diminishing potential, if by aging we're all not just harangued by the notion that new accomplishments are gradating away and it becomes more difficult not to look at ourselves through the lens of other people.
another interesting part of maggie's evolutionary journey in these works was the paradigm shift of the pandemic. harping back to the conversation with jacqueline rose, maggie notes that on freedom was drafted pre-2020, but revisions through the bulk of a year had to take place at home in the presence of a child when she had only ever gone through that process in the sanctity of privacy. the work didn't change, but the world in which it needed to be performed did.
so yes, a possibly unnecessary collection of works you may or may not have consume before made new in how they show you the cartography of maggie's life, the world, and how her work was impacted by both.
breaking this book to a granular level is also possible. some essays, for me, were ultimately skippable because i was either not interested or not able to engage. some were essays that i want to revisit after consuming more work about the subject. fred moten's black and blur has since become a piece of interest for me, as is ben lerner's 10:04. lerner's felt lovingly pieced apart, moten's just felt sublime. a few standouts for me were the epistolary piece with bjork, whose letters to maggie felt as though could have expanded into their own isolated volume of poetry, plus a piece about prince inspiring and fostering maggie's burgeoning sexuality in childhood.
this book is absolutely rife with maggie's usual fair of conversations about gender, sexuality, capitalism, feminism, and the making of art and the drive to create. regardless of whatever you're seeking to find here, you'll uncover something - these are not works about love, but they also are.
the thing about collecting everything an author has ever written about a subject as broad as "art," as she wrote it with no future awareness of its looming collection, is that you definitionally are kinda taking the good with the bad.
i'm not new york-y, in so many ways: i don't pay a lot in rent, i'm not adventurous, i stay inside a lot, and i don't know how to even begin to understand abstract art. i don't think i'm above it. quite the opposite. i would never be like "my four year old could create this painting / bash this barbie's head in / create this sculpture that is a talking refrigerator." i'm closer to the four year old โ it just goes over my head.
i loved the parts of this that included maggie nelson in conversation with interesting people, including those i hadn't heard of and those i had. i loved the parts that were explorations of things i know, or of books.
but for me, there is only so much blood and sh*t and gore and violence smashed into a canvas or a polaroid or film recording i can bear.
i always love maggie nelson but she is way cooler than me. this was made up of exclusively the cooler than me parts.
Like Love is a collection of essays and interviews spanning around 20 years of Maggie Nelsonโs career. I love Nelsonโs work and came into this expecting to fall in love with it, and there were certainly parts I did fall in love withโI found the interviews especially illuminating, and I enjoyed the literary criticism. Much of the book, though, is art criticism, and art criticism of a variety that seems to presume a familiarity with the artist and/or the workโsome of which canโt be found online with simple google searches. I found myself lostโor losing interestโa few times for this reason.
Itโs an admirable collection insofar as it attempts (I think) to get around the problem of โHow do I turn a bunch of disparate pieces into a book?โ by showing that the same preoccupations with art, and love of certain artists, have followed Nelson around throughout her careerโit was very interesting to see the names of these artists recur in various contexts, to show how Nelson situations them in place with one another. But I found myself wishing that there had been attempts to better familiarize me with the objects of criticism in question; when the object remains obscured thereโs only so much insight one can draw from the writerโs circumlocutions, I think. Suddenly this feels like a broader philosophical take than I had intended to make when I sat down to write this, so feel free to challenge me; something something epistemology. Maybe more to the point, that kind of criticismโif it existsโwould I think function on the presumption of the readerโs lack of familiarity. I mentioned earlier I enjoyed the literary criticism more, and thatโs probably telling about me as a reader: I am much more familiar with the world of literature and of literary criticism than I am of visual art, so itโs unsurprising that I felt able to draw more from those sections than I did those about visual art.
In any case, like much of Nelsonโs work, this is probably something I will return to.
A new Maggie Nelson book is always cause for celebration. Here, in "Like Love" Maggie explores what is something that is "like love, but not love" in a myriad of colors and ways, expanding our minds in the process. Much thanks to NetGalley and Graywolf Press for the opportunity to read another one of Maggie's amazing works.